Escaping the Third Rock from the Sun
Alison Davidson interviewing
Thomas Joseph Brownfrom Mu Rising
Volume 1 Winter Solstice 20003
In the current world situation what do you see being transformed, especially in relationship to the past aeons?
I think the most obvious transformation is the total degeneration of the general life wave and level of intelligence. Certain aspects are reaching their peak, the general trend is towards degeneration and dissolution. While you’ll find pure streams of really dynamic spiritual teachings, things like the internet are just packed with the most squalid trash, the basest of human emotions. Of course it’s all emanating from electronic equipment or electrical equipment which is using natural forces in the most degenerate fashion possible technologically, so it’s all hand in hand. It’s not so much transforming as degenerating I believe and from that situation a transformation will come from the pure sparks of spirit and intelligence that are still working within that.
Basically the current earth condition could be, using an analogy, like the black phase of alchemy where the experiment seems to have failed and turned to shit and that’s usually where the alchemist will give up and think that they’ve failed, but that’s actually the crucial phase because if they work through it that’s what the pure sparks of spirit are within and once the dross is precipitated off then you have what’s happening, the philosopher’s stone.
Really what’s happenoing now on the earth is the dross is coagulating and it does look like the whole world’s gone to crap and it’s hard. Even a lot of intelligent people wonder if it’s even worth dealing with at this point. But the truth is that within everything is that kernel of the next phase which is coming. What exactly that will be can’t necessarily be determined because everybody has a different viewpoint buut the fact remains the transformation is coming and the pure streams of spirit which are appearing now will be the foundations for the next phase. And the dross that’s collapsing and degenertaing at this point will pretty much be obliterated and not be a part of the next wave.
Do you see what’s happening as part of the natural cycle on this planet or do you see it as something which is being imposed by supposed outside forces?
They both actually may be the same thing. On one hand it does seem to be part of the natural process if you you look at Steiner’s view of the evolution of civilisations. Ancient civilisations of the Lemurians and Atlanteans worked with natural energies in their own fashion at the time and understanding of the world view but ended up destroying their civilisations through the misuses and misunderstanding. So in that sense we could say the current world condition is just a part of that process, but at the same time there does seem to be some sort of sickness or rent in space which has opened up which is perhaps part of what happens when the forces are used improperly. But then again you wonder what the natural process is. Here we are on this seeming third rock from the sun but that’s merely an appearance and while most people would laugh the truth is the whole third rock from the sun concept is merely calculated - it’s actually never been measured. The measurements indicate that the earth is the centre and the sun goes around it but everybody believes something totally different from what they perceive and think. There are reasons for that, some of them valid but the truth is life responds to that geocentric world view or more properly anthropocentric or life-centric.
Do you think this is one reason why there is such a schizophrenic condition prevailing among people, because of these two world views - we’re directly affected on earth by what we see but intellectually we’re told something completely different?
Oh totally, and the whole root of that goes back hundreds of years to the Copernican revolution and the eventuation of the discursive consciousness over the intuitive and the direct perceptual. Only that which could be measured or weighed was allowed into science and only what scientists agreed on was real, became what filtered into the world view and in that sense modern science is the most profound religion on the planet these days because people believe the world view. Whether or not there’s a god or anything is really not a religious thing it’s just a simple pigeonhole for religion. The truth is the world view that people believe in is their religion and people, no matter what they claim their religion to be they believe pretty much in the modern scientific world view - which I admit is a potential reality in space.
If you take dead matter reduced to its lowest common denominator you come up with what Copernicus came up with - that’s what the Copernican revolution really was. It wasn’t that he discovered that the earth went around the sun, it was that he reduced the complex motions of the heavens to the lowest common denominator. So that world view is calculated and not peerceived. It can be built up in the imagination and understood, which people do, but when they deny the other one on top of it then sure, it creates a schizophrenia, it creates a total misunderstanding of energies, how they’re used. It creates a total disruption and cancerous society which I believe is the actual root cause of the situation today.
What do you see as the main methods of healing the breach between these two modes of consciousness?
There’s various ways basically. I tried for many years to get people to understand what science really is and where science went. You can’t get people to really look at these areas becauase they believe science has already figured it out so you get the knee jerk reactions. But I found that more people got turned onto like Rudolf Steiner’s anthroposophical sciences and opened up and started understanding these. These are the sort of people who work in very progressive healing modalities, biodynamic farming, or like Trevor Constable with his etheric rain engineering, something where you’re directly healing the atmosphere and allowing rain to come in drought areas, so it’s very real. Understanding where you’re at and trying to push through to the true nature of things can have a profound effect on technology as well as mental and physical health of people and the processes which revolve around mainting those levels of health.
So the old geocentric world view is still valid?
Of course, it’s what everybody directly experiences. The sun rises in the east and sets in the west. You can take a sunflower which is going to follow the sun across the sky during the day. You can sit there with stacks of books and lectures and try to explain to the sunflower that what’s happening to it is not real and the sunflower is going to keep on responding to reality. It just responds. We still have that at our deepest levels, we still respond to that but our minds are disconnected form that because of the modern belief system so therefore people are trapped on the third rock from the sun intellectually while perceptually they’re living in the middle of a dynamic living universe which they are no longer aware of and the disconnection from which causes both internal physical diseases as well as mental diseases and the whole societal degeneration which we see happening now.
Who are the strongest influences you’ve come across who are involved in bringing these natural forces back into our reality in a practical way?
Well I haven’t really seen a lot of it. I’ve seen some work of the anthroposophic sciences and also people like the Tychonian Society, It’s interesting, odd bedfellow in this field. Tycho Brache the astronomer who mapped out the tychonian world view which is the geocentric world view, so this was the opposing world view to the Copernican.
The Tychonians are gnerally like the biblical creationists and we find that the creationaist scientists were quite into that because they believe the bible teaches that the earth is the centre of the universe and their interpretation of it and they go out and look for the scientific evidence. A man called Walter Vandercamp, both a physicist and a religious fanatic I suppose you could call him, wrote a book - he went through the last 3-400 years of ether experiments and explained why scientists went looking for the ether because all the experiments that were being done after the Copernic revolution to try to actually figure out how the earth was going around the sun by putting water into telescopes and taking measurements every six months and comparing the angle of defraction. It was going to be a simple thing to show how far the stars were and how the earth was moving and they were going to calculate the universe. But the problem was there was no angle change, so rather than facing the obvious, that the experiments showed that the heavens were moving aroudn the earth, nobody wanted to believe that because of this change in consciousness at the time. So they hypothesised an ether which must be dragging the light and then they went to all these ether drift experiments could never measure it. Walter’s take on it was they couldn’t measure it because it wasn’t there. The most obvious thing was that the direct result of the experiment showed the heavens moved around the earth.
Now it is a much more complex issue than that and the ether had been measured following that. Fundamentally much of what Walter said is correct and I believe that presents the old occult maxim which states: The centre is everywhere and the circumference is nowhere. So it’s probable the earth goes around the sun in that sense, the planets do go around like that but we don’t perceive that. It’s a subconscious structural level like our inner skeleton which we never directly perceive in our life, not while we’re living but when we die we can see it. So that’s the dead side of the universe.
The live side of the universe functions differently, it’s a totally different space. It’s not euclidian space, it’s not dead space, it’s actually a live mobile active space which is what projective geometry as developed by the anthroposophical school. Steiner pointed to that as being the true geometry of space and even relativity is a very shallow echo of the true projective geometry because relativity still exists in dead space and doesn’t acknowledge the dynamic forces. So you have all these world views and what’s really happening. You have Lilly Kolisko where she showed that where gold, for example, is related to the sun and silver to the moon in alchemy and all the other metals to the planets, she showed where specific planetary alignments, oppositions, etc, would have direct influence on the crystalisation of the metals realated to the planets.
There are something like 40 years of experimentation on that as well as the experiments on the action of different planets on different types of plants that are related to them in herbology. There is the whole field of science out there and certain people are into it but it’s interesting that many people who do that still believe the modern world view. So I don’t believe the breakthough has come. I’ve just found it within myself. I haven’t really seen it out anywhere else, just little pieces here and there that could be pieces together and used to build that picture.
How would you define the ether and how do you see that as being the new, or renewed source of our energy and attention?
Ether is nothing more than the living energies which create and drive life. In science the ether they were looking for was a dead hydromechanical ether which they never really found. What Steiner pointed to as the ether was very dynamic and broke into four phasses, reflected in the four states of matter which were also known as the four elements. So you had the life ether which related to the earth element, the chemical or tone ether related to the water element, the light ether related to the air element and the warmth ether which is the same as the fire element. The ether and element are interconnected so in that sense you really have seven levels created out of the eight.
The so-called chemical ether or tone ether has been related to what Wilhelm Reich termed the orgone. When we say orgone it’s one measurement or distinct action which is perceived out of the chemical ether. You have people such as Trevor Constable who have by pursuing these theories been able to directly access the ether and do things like make regional rain in drought areas using simple geometric apparatus. So there are pointers to the new science there.
It comes down to Wilhelm Reich’s whole theory of the armoured character, where people are so armoured if you actually show them something in living science they react and that’s why you can’t bring this into the so-called halls of science and modern accademia. They go goofy because they’re really not scientists, they have their funny religion that they believe that’s been weighed and measured to acertain degree, and anything that has life in it was stripped out. Life is a secondary effect of strange and random chemical and electrical things in the universe according to modern science rather than it being the driving force, and physical matter the hardest matter being the residue of prior life processes.
Do you think it mattters that science has insulated itself from these living forces because it will happen anyway?
Sure, it’s part of the degenerative process. It’s an anti-evolutionary element that’s built into things and people tend to take the low road even when they think they’re taking the high road and not to denegrate all that science has done, there have been some brilliant thinkers and the people who actually believe in what they’re doing it’s just that, what has modern science brought us? Internet porn and the atom bomb, those are a couple of the things and computer chips to track people and communication devices that give you brain cancer and it’s all so backward. And that’s all tied in with the boghus money systems, reserve bank currency is like electrons flowing around, so the misdirection of society is thoroughly integrated on all levels, it’s not like certain things have happened here or there, people have made mistakes. There’s this whole conceptual colouring to everything which is in error and as that error increases we see the degeneration. But there’s a certain correctness happening within that and that will be the seed. In a sense it’s almost like a flowering but an unfortunate flowering, more of an alchemical black phase, the nigredo phase where everything turns to shit and the average person can’t see that the truth still lies there within because all they see is the gross outer coating.
Do you have any faith in nature taking care of this imblance within our planetary system?
It’s hard to say what nature is. We go out and preceive living things, you go into a forest or into a meadow or any natural situation and you see al the living things and the interactive ecosystem and we call that nature. Certainly nature is resilient but if you go out and study the geological columns you find that nature has been totally wiped out on numerous occasions in great catatrophes and it reemerges in a new form. So what is that true nature of nature? Is it what we perceive or is it a deeper underlying thing that transforms through each progressive earth death represented by various layers of the geological column. In that sense yes, I have faith in nature in that way but whether the present ecosystem is going to survive whatever’s coming it’s hard to say. The true spirit of nature will always move forward but the current ecosystem may not survive. Probably over 90 percent of the fish are already fished out, the forests are decimated, there’s not a whole lot left.
Do you think we’re about to become another strata in this geological column?
I hope so! This place is so screwed up these days it would be the best thing.
Personally do you see a positive current of energy emerging from this black phase?
Oh totally. A lot of people are being resistant and there’s a whole lot of alternative scientific research going on around the world, much of it directed into free energy, devices like that and people using modern concepts of science to figure it out which has actually held the field back but at least the endeavour is there. You find quite a bit of movement politically and socially where people are totally fed up with the bogus cash system and the enslaving tax system which goes along with it and people are waking up to the fact that it’s all totally fake and not truly legal and being laid on them. So yes, the struggle between good and evil is shaping up in that sense and I think it’s good to see those currents happening having ridden various of them at various times to see what they’re like. Eventually intelligence will progress and move on because that’s the total end just like when an individual person dies and their life flashes before their eyes, they see that whole sum of experience. The whole sum of experiential reality as a whole, it’s all going to be there for a purpose but whether or not every individual wins every time, Good may not triumph over evil in each individual aspect but you can see the rising. People are fidgeting. It’s a few and not the majority. If it was the majority times would change and in that sense I believe a transformation actually is possible but I don’t have much faith in humanity to pull it off because most peole are either too wrapped up in their world systems or too degenerated into the sensorial realm, or too locked up intellectually into their world view to be able to actually move into a progressive phase. So we’re talking 5-10 percent maybe of positive movement, with maybe a greater 20-30 percent of people that are heading in the right direction there, whether or not they’ll totally make it. I just notice that from monitoring the internet and keeping in touch with other things around the world that a lot of people are struggling against the beast, the fake governments, the monetary system, there is a quite complex mulit-dimensional conspiracy against people’s spiritual and physical freedom. Most people are totally oblivious but some are waking up.
Perhaps this beast is necessary in order to wake people up?
Yes, the old story of serving the light by opposing it. It could well be. It could be part of the process it’s really hard to say. I don’t find any problem with it existing, this large structure. I am opposed to anything that opposes progress and in that sense that’s there but a lot of people obviously have a lot of things to work out and it’s like a plant struggling against the darkness to reach the light. It’s probably all part of the misuse of energy, but who knows the misuse of energy and there are a lot of researchers, like Jerry Vasilatos, who believe that that the so-called conspirators, the people who control the banks and universities and all the money around the world, that they’ve intentionally misdirected the technology in order to enslave people and there certainly is that element involved with it. Whether or not that’s part of the natural progress of intelligence or whether we’ve got insectoid beings from some rent in space that opened up from nuclear blasts or misuse of electricity, I don’t have any exact answers. I just have a lot of questions. I try to look at it from that point of view, just understand the different facets of what actually is happening and what’s truly possible and what the different world views might be and what the fundamental reality that we’re actually living in actually is.
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